>> well, look, i think ronald reagan defined our party and the road to success for our party. on economic, smaller government, lower taxes. on foreign policy, a confident foreign policy that is on the side of freedom around the world. but the other ingredient he brought were the values issues, and that's where we got millions of midwestern and southern evangelicals, catholics, et cetera, to leave the party of their birth, the party of their families and become republicans, and i think if those issues had been engaged -- i'm not saying the campaign should have been run on them. the economy was obviously the major issue. but you can't take a crouching position if you're a member of a party that believes that all of our children should be welcomed into the world, for example, and protected by the law. >> governor, do you agree with that? >> well, i'd have to say that the republican party needs to decide whether it wants to win or lose going forward. >> and what do you think that would allow you to do? >> well, when we're talking about the party, we're losing.